Dany Kvyat received a time penalty and license points for his first lap misdemeanours at this weekend’s Russian Grand Prix. But should it have been more? Some are calling for the Red Bull Driver to be parked. Some are calling him reckless whilst holding firm in the belief that Sunday’s mistakes could cost him his place at the team, and ultimately could spell the end of his F1 career.
But Kvyat’s own instincts and personal recollection of the first three corners of Sunday’s contest, and his role in the incident which ultimately brought an early end to Sebastian Vettel’s race, do hold merit. The evidence, while not removing the burden of responsibility from Kvyat entirely, does throw up some interesting and mitigating circumstances. With a calm head and the benefit of hindsight we will look at why.
First, though, I want to start in China. Dany Kvyat made a brilliant start, shot up the inside of Sebastian Vettel and made a clean, gutsy pass for position. The Chinese Grand Prix should not even enter this conversation and yet it has already been brought up in some quarters as evidence of his supposedly reckless abandon on the opening laps of a Grand Prix. It was a great move, complained about only by those who’d failed to defend against it. End of story.
And so to Russia. I am going to break this down piece by piece so that we can see exactly what went on and how each part of the puzzle was formed.
The overhead shot of the run down to Turn 2 shows the funnelling effect of the track. Kvyat is boxed in but in a perfectly good position. He brakes late, and admitted locking his rears to such an extent it felt as though he was being pushed from behind. Replays show, of course, that he flew into T2 under his own steam. A small lock up of the front right, and he punts the Ferrari of Sebastian Vettel.
As Vettel’s car is pitched sideways it makes contact with Daniel Ricciardo, who himself is then pushed into Sergio Perez. Although we don’t know this at the time, the damage to Perez will play a significant role, as the contact has been with his rear right tyre which will soon let go.
Ricciardo runs wide, at T2, as does Lewis Hamilton who, seeing Kvyat, Vettel, Ricciardo and Perez all make contact to his right, has no option but to take avoiding action, miss the T2 apex and head for the re-entry point determined by Charlie Whiting on the left of the polystyrene bollard on entry to T3.
Vettel by now is slow on exit of T2, fumbling the wheel he bounces over the left hand kerbing, which almost catches out Kvyat again with the two narrowly avoiding contact.
His slow exit from T2 means that there is by now a sizeable gap between the Ferrari of Vettel and the Force India of Sergio Perez. But as Vettel enters T3, Hamilton appears on his left, re-entering the track. Vettel gives him space but is swiftly around him.
Moving back to Kvyat, this is where his suggestions that Vettel slowed, and in so doing caused the collision, hold merit.
Turn 3 begins with the exit of T2, usually at around 155kph in 3rd gear. It seems Vettel has already had to snatch 2nd after being hit, thus helping create the less than optimal getaway. Putting the power down we hear his rear wheels spin, which at the time caused some audible suggestion of a problem at the rear and potential puncture. The video from fans in the grandstands appear to show Vettel’s car in adequate health and certainly there are no signs from Kvyat’s onboard of a problem with Vettel’s rear tyres. Indeed, Vettel quickly tempers the throttle and accelerates into the corner.
The first turn in at 3 is invariably carried at over 250kph in 6th gear, before accelerating to 7th and a top speed of 290kph before the braking zone at T4. It is a constant radius, constant acceleration zone.
Yet no sooner has Vettel cleared Hamilton’s Mercedes on his left, than the closing speed on Perez increases rapidly. The Force India twitches markedly and Vettel not only lifts but downshifts twice as he feels the Force India coming closer. Of course we now know that Perez was struggling with a rear right which was about to let go. This is what caused his twitch, his sudden loss of speed and in turn caused Vettel to back off.
Kvyat is still passing Hamilton at this point, and as the Ferrari slows suddenly ahead, the Russian tags his rear and spins him around.
Hamilton is fortunate not to be collected by the spinning Ferrari, as is the rest of the field who pass by as Vettel ends up in the barriers and on the radio to the team to vent his anger.
(EDIT: Something that struck me last night when re-watching this video, look at the positioning of the Toro Rosso cars. If Kvyat slams on his brakes, he gets a Toro Rosso flying over him. If he moves to the right to avoid Vettel, he takes out the other Toro Rosso. The onboard video shows the gap between the slowing Vettel and Hamilton decreasing. If he moves left, chances are he takes them both out. With Vettel slowing rapidly ahead of him, he is essentially boxed in.)
The point in all this is that Kvyat’s hit on Vettel does not come out of some reckless decision to nerf him out of the way. Vettel is caught out by the twitch of the Force India and his own closing speed on a car which had, moments before, held at least three car lengths advantage over him. Running in close quarters behind, Kvyat has no time to react to Vettel’s sudden slowing and the result is the four-time champion’s exit.
In some ways, then, I can understand Dany Kvyat’s defense of his actions on Sunday. His mistake at Turn 2 was silly but we’ve seen far more grave mistakes at the first braking zone on the first lap of a Grand Prix. In the greater spectrum of driver errors, it really wasn’t huge. The knock on effects however combined quickly. The Perez puncture, the sudden need for Vettel to slow, and the karmaic positioning of Kvyat to be the one that collected him.
There’s a great line in Stanley Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket – “Private Joker is silly and he’s ignorant but he’s got guts… and guts is enough.”
The same could be said of Dany Kvyat.
His move in T2 was silly. No more than that. But he wasn’t ignorant to that and accepted his mistake. His refusal to accept the blame for T3 however did seem, at the time, to be somewhat silly and ignorant. But my word does he have guts. And guts often is enough. He had guts to keep his nose in, but also, as it turns out, guts to stand up for himself after the race and say what he did about the circumstances of T3Because he was right! Vettel did slow dramatically. And he was caught out by it. There is simply no way that a driver, on the first lap of the race, in the middle of a corner taken at over 260kph and under constant acceleration could have anticipated the sudden slowing of the car ahead. It is the close quarters racing of an opening lap which so often creates contact. Thus has it ever been so.
Dany Kvyat made contact with Sebastian Vettel at Turn 3 on the first lap of the Russian Grand Prix in an incident which ultimately caused the Ferrari driver’s retirement. But there were mitigating factors.
That Kvyat was the architect of those factors is hard to argue. But it’s not the simple nerfing that many are trying to claim.
- For video analysis of the incident please see this excellent piece put together by FOM using my NBCSN interviews with both Dany and Seb here.
I think what stands strong in Kvyat arguments is that Hulkenberg almost did the same last year, and Gutierrez did exactly the same yesterday. 3 first lap incidents by 3 different drivers on the same corner.
Was it a huge mistake? yes. Was it Grosjean at 2012 Spa? No, it certainly wasn’t.
How is failing to see a grey car on a grey track in a postage stamp sized mirror in your blindspot somehow worse than missing a braking point by a mile?
Will – You are spot on as usual!!!!
Kvyat had a clear view and should have been aware of the slow Perez in T3. Hamilton & Vettel reacted correctly while Kvyat might have lost concentration due to his earlier mistake. His failure to react at all made it look awkward.
It’s a tenth of a second at 250kph+
Good analysis, Will. Here’s hoping that it’s part of the next broadcast.
Okay, I just watched it again. Eventhough Kvyat could see Perez for about 3 seconds in T3, it wasn’t really obvious that he had a puncture. Moreover, Kvyat did lift about a second before he hit Vettel (but did not change the steering angle). So at least he did react.
Your honor, the light was not quite red yet and I didn’t think the guy in front was going to stop. That’s why I hit him from behind…..
Was it Vettel’s fault then?
Not at all. Merely making the point that there are mitigating factors.
Great balanced analysis as always Will!
Completely agree with your analysis. Ferrari will see Vettel’s downshifts in the data and they will realize it as well. Personally I think in China and at T3 it was Vettel who was ignoring the other cars positions. It reminded me of a comedy cross country racing movie (can’t remember the name) from years ago. The guy jumps in his Ferrari, tears the rear view mirror off the windshield and declares “first rule of Italian racing, what’s behind you doesn’t matter”.
If there is a driver that is aware of his surroundings in front and behind his car it’s Vettel. Check this out:
Sam that footage means nothing. Review China’s and Russia’s starts that is what we are talking about.
Raul Julia, as ‘Franco’ in Gumball Rally, 1976. “… what’s behind you is not important.”
Not that long ago, that would’ve been put down as a racing incident. When cars are racing, jostling for position, these things happen. When only the top 6 drivers got points, those type of incidents were normal and acceptable.
Obviously nobody wants drivers to be dangerous, but Kvyat was simply racing and racing hard, and racing is being punished too frequently nowadays.
The biggest disappointment yesterday was the ‘battle’ between Bottas and Hamilton. It took Hamilton ages to work himself up to make a move and when he did, Bottas had no interest in fighting it, and by then, Rosberg was clear and the race was over.
Racing needs to be encouraged, not discouraged. The Kvyay incident shouldn’t cause outrage. It’s racing.
Excellent analysis. So Vettel reacted to a ‘surprise’ move by Kyvat in China and hit Kimi. In Russia he slows and downshifts in a flat out corner leaving Kyvat nowhere to go. Is Vettel more involved than he thinks he is? The second collision sure looks like a racing incident.
I’ve raced shifter karts and the closing rates on those are tremendous if someone checks up. Must be exponentially faster in an F1 car. Hopefully Marko will just ask Daniil to be careful privately rather than publicly shred him and acknowledge there was really nothing he could have done to avoid pitting Vettel the second time.
I disagree with your initial claim. Vettel clearly had the line into the corner, and Kvyat made a bonzai dive toward the apex, arrived way too late, not even close to even with Vettel. The ONLY reason he made “a clean, gutsy pass” is that Vettel had to make a violent avoiding jerk to avoid being taken out at turn one by someone who was not entitled to being in that location. If Vettel had not taken the avoiding action but continued to the apex as benefitting the rights of the leading car and they collided, who would have been at fault – Vettel? Sorry, I don’t buy it. The overtaking driver has the responsibility for a safe pass, and forcing the leading driver to make a huge avoiding maneuver to avoid Kvyat crashing into him is not a “clean pass”. As for Russia, anyone who clobbers (not just touches) another driver from behind twice in such a short time is clearly driving over his talent level and needs to be corrected before he kills someone.
Don’t agree with your assessment of China, Vettel shouldn’t have left the door open and then he over reacted, there was room for him and Kvyat without him moving. In Russia Vettel slowed dramatically in turn 3, a corner that is balls-to-the-wall. Kvyat had no time to check up, again Vettel over reacted this time to Perez’s wiggle.
But Vettel didn’t make a huge avoiding manoeuvre in China. He wanted to but couldn’t because Kvyat was there, or about to be there. It’s called racing. Your comment is so clearly ‘Vettel fanboy’ it avoids the truth of the matter by about a mile and a half.
It’s a non story really, only made a story due to Vettels petulant reaction to being passed in a great gutsy move in China. Yesterday’s chip paper to anyone with an ounce of sense!
Another part of this was the penalties handed down by the stewards. Supposedly ‘we’ want gutsy racing, yet the driving attracted time penalties, licence points and reprimands. Any other race several would have been just racing incidents !
So Vettel has good enough reactions to read a situation and take steps to avoid it, but it’s OK that Kvyat doesn’t do the same? These aren’t commuters heading home on a Friday afternoon, these are supposed to be top level athletes with superior reflexes.
Excellent review of the incident
I too thought Kvyat was guilty of “ramming” Vettel the second time, until seeing the in car video where it was clear Vettlel has lifted.
I agree with Charles Kelly above, if Vettel could react, Kvyat should have been able to as well. He’s never really impressed me with his driving talent. I’ll grant you he has guts, but that’s not necessarily a good thing when he also seems to lack awareness of what’s going on around him on track and seems to be driving above his own ability to carry off, as Dave said above.
He’s not a complete nutter like Maldonado (yet), but he has a choice (or an opportunity) here – he can either learn and improve and end up like Grosjean, once known as a liability but now winning back some respect, or he can carry on this way and end up like Maldonado, who is basically a punchline.
I find the reactions to this interesting – there’s certainly a large contingent that feels he was solidly to blame, including most pundits/commentators/the stewards/his own team, but also a surprising (to me, anyway) amount of commenters on various sites rushing to defend him.
This doesn’t necessarily apply to Will’s post here, but I kind of wonder if the fact that it was Vettel contributes to the defensiveness on his behalf? Vettel isn’t the most universally loved driver, and a lot of people felt he was wrong to go after Kvyat in China, so Kvyat came out of that with a bit of a “brave, unfairly attacked kid standing up for himself to the big bad world champion” image and a lot of sympathy and admiration.
So I can’t help wondering if, had he hit, say, Lewis or Kimi or Dan in the same way – twice! – and taken them out of the race, there would be that same urge to defend him, or if maybe that carry-over of sympathy from China is making people a bit more likely to side with him against Vettel in particular. (On a similar note, would anyone be trying to defend Vettel if he had made this mistake?)
I can only speak for myself – I’m a fan of Vettel, and I still think Kvyat needs to be defended.
If Kvyat ruined his own race yesterday and Vettel was able to continue, and Kvyat then went about the paddock and said this was the second race in succession that there was an accident as a result of Vettel taking evasive action at high speed, would there still be outrage over Kvyat’s driving, and would he receive the same punishment from the stewards?
There seems to be a philosophy in F1 whereby a driver must be punished if he ruins another’s race, regardless of how much he is at fault. In my opinion, unless a driver is clearly 100% at fault, accidents should be put down as racing incidents.
This is excellent analysis, I was wondering why people were not mentioning Perez’ back end stepping out in front of Vettel, seemed pretty clear to me when watching the replays. Still Kvyat’s fault, but as you say, it’s not as simple as people are trying to make it seem.
O how I long for the days of skill and weak suspensions……..
Kvyat failed to slow his car down enough for T2 as he admits.
But I’d like to see any race steward or F1 driver for that matter avoid contact in this very situation in a simulator. Kvyat was way closer to Vettel, all the way through, than Vettel ever came to Perez. You can’t expect Kvyat to hold 2 seconds of distance as mandatory on the road. Nor to anticipate Vettel responding by a double downshift to Perez wobbling his rear.
Seems Vettel has great reflexes, just when he has them, he makes contact. And makes a lot of noise about it. T2 he’s right to complain about. T3 really he shouldn’t be surprised. In which F1 first lap in history would such lifting NOT all but ensure contact from that track position? A first lap is very different from even a 2nd lap in that sense.
Although Haas has joined the F1-Circus this is NOT NASCAR. Romain Grosjean seemed to become a better more thoughtful driver after his sit down. And after doing his impersonation of a NASCAR driver on a search and destroy mission Kvyat needs to explore Spain without driving in the Grand Prix. Safety is a priority and a another death in a race would be bad. Kvyat is young so sitting him down may be the only way he listens.
I agree with Loramir and Charles. If Vettel can react so too could dany. His eyes should have been looking towards the apex as he drives anyways and he would have seen the same thing Vettel was seeing. And even though Vettel lifted and down shifted twice, I’m sure dany could have dragged the brakes a bit. I’m sure that would have been sufficient to avoid the second contact.
At the end of the day it’s racing. It’s unfortunate that we wish for drivers to speak their minds, and then make a storm out of it when it finally happens. I suppose that’s why we want them to speak their minds. We love drama. Sticking a camera in the “cool down” room I think is exciting, but then we also need to balance our expectations of driver behavior with the fact that even the coolest heads can be downright animals when they come out of a car and the red mist hasn’t subsided yet.
Did Seb get his undies in a bunch in both instances? Yup. I mean he is racing for a championship.
Is it reasonable for us to claim this reaction was “immature”. LOL not at all. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Those drivers aren’t in their right mind when they step out of the car. It can happen to any of them at any time. And it has; history is littered with examples of your heroes being less than graceful in the face of disappointment.
So then the media takes the non-story and feeds the beast with it, and then it just serves to further skew the narrative when the next event happens. We hear Seb drop a zillion F Bombs in the heat of the moment and then we grab pitchforks and go after Dani for injustices against all of mankind.
But just as Seb takes a moment after to reflect and look at the situation with a cooler head (China), we too must do the same as fans. So kudos to Will for doing so and putting it down in writing, and reminding us that sometimes it’s just racing.
This comes from a Seb fan who is getting his soul torn out watching the struggles of Ferrari this season: I can’t be mad at Dani. I don’t believe it was intentional, and I think given room to breathe, this incident will make both drivers stronger.
They were both racing incidents. It will blow over.
As in Will’s edit, Kvyat CAN’T respond like Vettel did, as he’s have as least one Toro Rosso on his neck. If you don’t know about head-tail incident in congested road traffic, you should not be eligible for a driver’s license.
FACT: twice in two race, Vettel reacted to a situation on track which directly caused him to collide with another car. He over-reacted to Kvyat undercutting him in T1 in China, and he may have reacted overly harsh on Perez’s wobble since Kvyat had no chance to brake, or would have 100% been collected by the Toro Rosso’s anyway. If this had left Vettel NOT hitting Perez (which he never did), it would have been Vettel’s fault still, not Kvyat’s, not the Toro Ross’s. If in heavy traffic on the motorway you suddenly hit the brake HARD when others are going off the gas a bit, you WILL be rear-ended. No F1 driver has the reflexes to avoid you AND avoid all contact.
So we see Vettel braking enough to downshift twice and despite being rear-ended never touched Perez. Can we safely conclude Vettel over-reacted, not only to being rear-ended the second time around, but also a capable F1 driver nursing a puncture?
He did not have to take Kimi out in China, there was more than enough room for Kvyat to pass on the inside. And had he been cut, Kvyat could have given even more room.
Avoiding Kimi would have closed his wedge later in the corner, where it would have remained to be seen whether contact with Kimi could not have been avoided without Kvyat hitting Vettel. Kimi is not on a fixed line you know, he can stay wide or let Vettel and Kvyat pass. Rosberg did numerous times when Hamilton did exactly the same to him. Contact was avoided, dirt collected. Races finished.
Next time you see a car stopped on the highway in front of you. Do NOT use the Brake pedal. Maybe then you will understand what KVYAT did wrong.
@The Pelican
I hope you’re intensionally not understanding what happened here, and the timing and distances involved? Althought that would not offer a motive for your statement.
If an F1 car in front of you brakes from 250kph in a close pack, even if you are following in another F1 car, human response time just doesn’t do the job. Since in F1 you are not required to keep 2 seconds or even any distance to the car in front, Kvyat didn’t do anything wrong, can’t be blamed for the T3 incident. If he’d been the only robot in the race and brakes right after Vettel did, more cars would have crashed.
What Vettel did was wrong. But in China and Russia. He responded, but dramatically so, in a way that other drivers could not humanly avoid contact with him. Perez was fighting his way around the corner, was not braking nearly as much as Vettel. Going wide would have done the trick. Look at the Toro Rosso cars. When Kvyat slowed down due to hitting Vettel, they went wide as it was too late for stopping, and it’s, you, a race…
We should give a 4-time world champion the benefit against proof. Alonso was OK to shove Guttierez off, but Verstappen got penalty points for doing the same with Grosjean after way more elaborate “defending”. Vettel gets to badmouth Kvyat when really he was in the wrong for 2 of their 3 incidents over China and Russia. Kvyat under all this remains a true gentleman. Name me 3 F1 drivers with such composure and clear mind and words on what happened after dramatic events.
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